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  BBC Radio 4. 14th February 2016. ''Sunday'' program with article on Witnesses and child abuse.

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  the sunday programme investigates allegations that the jehovah's witness ordered the destruction of documents that could be used during the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse.

  was this in contravention of section 21 of the inquiries act 2005 which is punishable by imprisonment?.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0709v34.

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  Landy:

  There have been huge misunderstandings about DPA (in E&W) since its inception and I spent a lot of time in my former career dealing with them.

  The principle is that any organisation which holds searchable identifiable personal data (electronically or in paper indexed systems) about individuals must register with OIC and say why it holds that data and the use to which it will be put. It must hold the data in confidence, ensure that it is correct, and only retain it for the specified purposes and for as long as is required for those purposes, and not disclose it other than for the purposes specified in its registration.

  Most (if not all) data holders have a clause which includes disclosure for the purpose of crime prevention and detection, or similar, which applicants sign up to, for example, when they apply for a credit card. It's not actually necessary, because the DPA contains specific provisions on this. Data-holders cannot refuse to provide information required for crime detection and prevention purposes using DPA as a reason.

  And, don't forget, the right to confidentiality always belongs to the subject of that data, not the organisation holding it.

  Just a thought, I need to wander off and check the OIC site to see whether JW congos are registered ...
  
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  BBC Radio 4. 14th February 2016. ''Sunday'' program with article on Witnesses and child abuse.

  by ThomasCovenant in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the sunday programme investigates allegations that the jehovah's witness ordered the destruction of documents that could be used during the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse.

  was this in contravention of section 21 of the inquiries act 2005 which is punishable by imprisonment?.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0709v34.

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  This is the text of an e-mail I have sent to the Inquiry today:

  "I never was a Jehovah's Witness, but for various reasons have researched them for several years. I am a retired senior police officer with experience of dealing with child and sexual abuse.
  
  I have followed the progress of the UK Charity Commission investigation and the appeals by WTBTS with interest, as I'm sure you have.
  
  I also followed the proceedings of the Australian Royal Commission, and I'm sure that you are aware of these and the findings so far. What I think is relevant to your inquiry is that all procedures and policies, down to a micro-management level, are directed by the 'Governing Body' in world HQ, New York. National, regional and local bodies have no discretion whatsoever to change those policies. This was made (excruciatingly) clear in sworn testimony before the ARC from JW personnel at all levels from local elders, Australian country leaders, Australian national HQ legal adviser, to a member of the world-wide 'Governing Body' based in New York.
  
  The fact that all procedures and policies are dictated by the world HQ is very relevant to a UK inquiry. If you have the testimony and findings of ARC, it will not have escaped your notice that any suggestions/recommendations as to improvements in procedures would have to be referred to world-wide HQ and the 'Governing Body' before they could be agreed to. This does not bode well. JWs have a policy which they describe as 'Theocratic Warfare' - well documented in their own publications. In essence, this says that they can, and should, not tell the truth to those who they perceive as being in opposition to them. This policy was clearly being used in some sworn evidence given before the ARC.
  
  Regards"
  
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  Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

  by cappytan in

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  this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

  however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

  feel free to claim credit here.

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  Aude:

  Excellent points, but I'd add these:

  1. Put off the meeting til 1.30? She needs to talk NOW. Putting her under immense pressure for a future appointment.
  

  2. At her home? Nice place, bet she ran herself ragged with the hoover and baking biscuits (cookies). Not good.

  3. She's still dressed up and made up from the KH meeting. (How many suicidal women take the trouble to dress up/make up when they're in the pits?)

  My real life experience of desperate suicidal people:

  1. They need talking to NOW, right NOW, or f**k off

  2. Wherever and whenever we are

  3. In pyjamas/underwear/whatever, snot wiped on sleeve, tears have made mascara run, total disregard for personal appearance and surroundings.

  That's the reality of the world I live in and the people I met. And they need some personal contact, a hug or a touch or whatever. That's the way we are, us humans.
  
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  Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

  however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

  feel free to claim credit here.

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  Muddy Waters:

  Thanks for that. I wasn't aware that there was another version. Perhaps my earlier facetious comment that this was a prologue to a porno film wasn't so far off. I can, of course, see that Bro Grinning Sleazeball and his retard sidekick must be so attractive to women that they are hard to resist. I don't want to visualise Bro GS as he drools over a spit roast.

  Do JWs have rules as to when comely widows become fair game?

  Now I'm becoming facetious so I'll stop before I say something I regret.
  
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  Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

  however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

  feel free to claim credit here.

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  Joe Grundy

  Sorry, I'm getting a bit vitriolic about this now.

  I've just re-read this from the top of the thread:

  
  

  Use Insight When Comforting Others: (15 min.) Discussion. Play the video that the elders viewed at a recent Kingdom Ministry School. Then invite comments on how the two brothers were a good example of how to give encouragement when someone expresses anguish over the death of a loved one.

  'A good example'? A pair of f**kwit retards is what they are. I can only hope that 'Mary' is a JW trusted to play this character and that her experience in this charade has led her to question this cult. Is she here yet?
  
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  Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

  however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

  feel free to claim credit here.

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  Joe Grundy

  I am an integrity keeper, I am an integrity keeper.

  
  

  In the real world, WTF is an 'integrity keeper? If I saw someone walking down the street chanting this mantra I would think that they were mentally deranged.

  If this cult were not so dangerous it would be laughable. Correction, it IS laughable, but I have to stop and think sometimes of the damage it has done and is still doing.
  
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  Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

  however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

  feel free to claim credit here.

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  Muddy Waters: Thank you very much. I appreciate that.

  Well, I had a quick response from my Samaritan contact. She is far more polite and diplomatic than me (as you might expect).

  1. This is not an approach she would take.

  2. Being 'talked down to' by seniors/elders may not help.

  3. Cautioning about this being wrong or a 'sin' may not help either.

  (I said she was diplomatic!)

  She mentioned in passing going to the funeral many years ago of a fellow Samaritan who was a JW for the sake of his wife. It was so bad she wanted to leave.

  She agreed that it may be worth passing this video on to Samaritans HQ, so that's my next step.
  
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  Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

  however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

  feel free to claim credit here.

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  Joe Grundy

  "What she really needs, apart from professional counselling, is a rest from meetings, FS and all the other stuff they demand you do no matter how you feel."

  What she really needs is a friend is to hug her, tell her it's ok to keep crying and grieving her loss for as long as it takes, and to tell those f^^kwits to p^ss off.
  
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  Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

  however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

  feel free to claim credit here.

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  Joe Grundy

  Thanks. Sent you a PM.
  
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  Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this video will be played at one of the clam meetings in march 2016.. the content is kind of old news because it is a recut version of a previous video produced for the elder's school.

  however, it's still significant because it shows that the organization still has dissenting brothers in positions of leadership.. my thanks to the leaker.

  feel free to claim credit here.

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  cofty and fastjehu:

  Thanks for that. I have forwarded the video to a contact who is a very active 'Samaritan' and asked for her thoughts. I think it should be forwarded to other interested parties and will do so.

  Another thought strikes me: just like child and other abuse, the JWs are paranoid about keeping these problems '''in house' - and yet there is NO qualified (or, it seems to me, unqualified yet empathetic) help or advice available.

  Disgusting.